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[vicarz]

I just hung up from a woman who wanted to appeal the denial of her hardship transfer application. Her reason for the request: her 15 year old daughter is going to need (insert surgery here) for (insert serious medical problem here). It also turns out the 15 year old kid is about to have a baby...and after talking to her, I'm not sure if it is her first or not. My emotional reaction is to be disgusted with the mother, and that the child might as well be dead. A kid at 15? Not the first? I mean medical problems might just be an attempt by the gene pool to reclaim her to the drain at this point. I'm sure the mother is in great pain, and it's unclear how complacent she was in her daughter's mistakes in life...but...

and congress is trying to pass an act to keep that 13 year vegetable alive in Florida. Oi.

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[http://users.livejournal.com/_blackjack_/]

I mean medical problems might just be an attempt by the gene pool to reclaim her to the drain at this point.

You really do have a rather damaged understanding of how natural selection works. Survival defines fitness, not the other way around. The people who have lots of babies early are MORE fit, from a Darwinian perspective.

[lilu22.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting twist.
At the same time, I don't believe Darwin's theory should be applied to individuals. Let's look at the current phenomenon of couples of different races breeding and how features are changing because of the mixing of the gene pool and then theorize about whether or not average height is increasing or big noses are disappearing and stuff like that. This line of thought refers to large groups of a species, not individuals. Truthfully, I think that's a more accurate use of Darwin's theory.

[vicar.livejournal.com]

Well that doesn't answer Darwin's theory at all. There is nothing weeding any trash out of the gene pool. People preferring a type of nose or height might be Darwinian, but it kinda misses the natural selection through not-being-eaten thrust.

As for Jack - he's right, breeding is about the best survival trait in a world w/o predators. I tend to mix what I think ought to be with what is.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_blackjack_/]

More importantly, Darwin's theory should not be applied to morality. It is an observation of how changes in populations take place, not a judgement of how they SHOULD take place. That was what I was protesting; the tendancy to project ones idea of MORAL fitness onto the idea of BIOLOGICAL fitness.

[thefeline.livejournal.com]

Had a long post all typed out. I'm just going to nod and say yup. Seen this happen in real life...not to me obviously (no kids that I know of anyhow heh).

I wonder what the circumstances were and what kind of parent would condone such behavior without a serious discussion of repercussions...much less repercussions of unprotected sex.

I feel bad for the kid's babies. What kind of life are THEY going to have?? What lessons will they learn?

I wish more people looked at the bigger picture...

[tehcas.livejournal.com]

Ideally the kids babies will live with the grandparents until the kid is mature enough to take care of them. It may sound like a cop-out but at least the babies will have a slight chance at not getting skrewed up by some underaged whore who can't tell a tic tac from a birth control pill.
Lesson learned? Mommy is a slut, don't be like mommy.

I know it's not fair on the grandparents, but they won't be -that- old yet unless they waited til they were old old before they had their kids, and as long as the kid lives at home and tries to learn how to be responsible, then it won't be as bad. If the kid runs off to be a professional slut, then good riddance. The baby will definately be better off and everyone can be happy about that.

Sometimes you just can't control your kids. Some of them really are that fucked up.

[telie13.livejournal.com]

"might just be an attempt by the gene pool to reclaim her to the drain at this point"

my dear you have such a unique way of putting things sometimes, really.

[telie13.livejournal.com]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=5&u=/ap/20050318/ap_on_re_us/virginity_stds_2

speaking of which...

[vicar.livejournal.com]

Oh my ... Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex

It seems the religions term "Virgin" is another way of saying "Gay."

Still enjoying your quote about "Pilsbury dough virgin" by the way.

[baronsamdi.livejournal.com]

Not to rain on your Gay Parade, but the article didn't say the boys had anal sex with other boys. Not that this whole "technical virgin" crap is news to me.

Here's the real problem:

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the researchers found.

[velvetslade.livejournal.com]

What kind of veggie?!?!? :-P

[lilu22.livejournal.com]

It can be so hard to feel for stupid people. I don't mean to sound heartless, but I often have similar thoughts. Not everyone is supposed to live forever.

[http://users.livejournal.com/---corvus/]

jeez.

oh, and i think they should pull the plug. just doesn't seem right. she's dead.

[vicar.livejournal.com]

Sigh. Yeah and the republican congress doesn't give a damn about human life as they are trying to get her wired back to her machine. Her family is disgusting - I wonder if they actually hate her or if they genuinely don't understand the difference between a relative and a corpse.

[tehcas.livejournal.com]

I wish I lived there, so I could wave a sign that says "Kill her now".


Or something else that would poke fun at those who want to keep this prisoner alive in a tortured vegatative state. Euthenasia is a wonderfun thing. Hope is too, but when the odds of winning the lotto exceed that of a miracle cure for some brain dead victim, and playing the lotto is "morally wrong" or whatever...


Think of the people on the waiting list who could use that bed shes taking. People who have a chance at recovery. Is it fair to them?

(boy I sound cold and heartless don't I)

[http://users.livejournal.com/---corvus/]

not at all. you're just being blunt.
it's the cold hard truth, but it IS the truth.