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The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
What makes the Discovery Channel the object of this protest? Why not NBC or another free public network? How about PBS for their non-profit free format? How about the government itself, or the church?
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
Caps and punctuation do not an argument make. Complete sentences are more convincing that conversational phrases converted to text. These goals are vague at best; however, game show format isn't an all bad idea until you realize that instant pop answers will not fix the planet to your alluded to specifications.
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
While there is a substantial amount of scientific concern about world population, negative words and emotionally charged arguments degrading those you disagree with are more likely to cause people not firmly on one side or the other to disagree with your side, and polarize those that disagree with you into a temporarily unified front against your rhetoric. It's also a radical deep shift you are recommending by this privately owned for-profit company - what is the basis for this moral obligation for extremist propaganda again?
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
It's a broad jump for ending the promotion of war to disassembling civilization. In one aspect he may miss the boat - a human ending war would dissemble civilization and stands a far better chance of eliminating mankind than his suggestions. He also fails to explain why the peace movements, unnamed, are fraudulent. Again the punctuation and all-caps fail to substantiate the wide transitions and claims.
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
To expose the filth of civilization requires organized social, technological, and cultural structures - in short, civilization. As a member of civilization, it seems the message that this speaker has received is available to anyone who cares to hear it - many hear it and reject it entirely so it's not clear why he seems to conclude that broadcasting a message would result in the changes he requests.
Again he makes wild arguments of morality with little transition or foundation. If there is a logical way for reaching this conclusion, he might do better by walking us simple folk to that conclusion rather than just assuming we inherently understand. If it was that simple a conclusion, wouldn't we already be aware of it?
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
Programs require civilization, solutions require organization, stopping the biological urge to procreate present in animals including humans requires tremendous societal pressure, see above. Also, was this fellow employed?
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
These huge programs would be huge obligations, and he offers little substance. In fact, for all this work and protest, he is essentially asking everyone else to do the work. I'm curious now what solutions he has proposed to make changes directly rather than merely insisting that others perform the intellectual and physical work.
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
As the information is already present it's not clear how re-emphasizing these particular principles will lead to change in attitude or thinking.
8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!
NOTICE EVEN A RAVING LOON KNOWS HOW TO USE THE RIGHT YOU'RE IN A SENTENCE!!! Yes, I too reverted to all caps and punctuation, but I'm just a disgusting human adult baby. Worse, I'm on the internet.
9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
Bad economy = nuclear (spelled right!) war? Another? Again, some transitional footnotes or longer explanations might help us understand better and join his cause as appropriate.
10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
This is the first time he starts to articulate why Discovery is the subject of his wrath, and it is logical. However, it's still not clear why this network faces more blame than mainstream free network television.
11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
Do we need solutions to this? This seems inconsistent with his earlier demand to disassemble civilization, which requires and creates the need for employment and housing.
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
As opposed to animals which lack morals, cause extinctions, plunder without fore or afterthought, torture and kill for entertainment, breed unabated without any concern for those around them only ceasing to expand their populations when starved or hunted themselves...I mean I agree humans have their weaknesses but what is missing here is the explanation of how "animals" are a superior alternative.
I postulate the following good Sir: the faults of humanity you highlight are in fact all products of our animal nature. It's the human rational mind you're reaching for and asking to overrule our animal instincts.
For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
I guess we gave up on numbering our items.
This is one of the few times he links concepts - maybe as he ran out of rant he was tired enough to slow down and tie some arguments together. However, it is not clear that forest creatures are a superior alternative. While you can argue they do not do damage to a forest, the presence of a forest stifles the ability of a field to grow. Also, if we granted "forest" as the perfect environmental state, while I'll concede the forest does strike it's own balance - it only does so because animals are in a perpetual battle to eat others while not being eaten (a cruel and horrible existence) while even the trees battle to steal the sun from all other life. Nature is arguably even more horrible than civilization.
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
So populate the 3rd world and not us? Should humans live in squalor to suit your concept of the perfect world? If you suggest less population throughout the above points, it is not clear why you also draw the 3rd world first 1st world distinction in terms of environmental impact per person born; further you fail to give a course of action from this sub-point.
Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
In return, I ask you to "invent, damn you!" You halt war, you invent ways to make gunpowder good for trees, you take that all caps energy and make a solution instead of delegating that task to others.
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
We're losing sentence structure again, but it is readable. It's odd that he suggests tv show develop solutions - over and over the delegation he has made of earth-saving tasks seems difficult to justify, or would be if he drew any such linkage in this writing.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
Froggies? Froggies!? Note the capitalization.
Note each animal listed above, if given the opportunity, would breed and consume mercilessly compared to a thinking bipedal mammal.
The humans? The planet does not need humans.
Agreed, but it doesn't need froggies, water, or iron either. It's just a random rock in a void populated with other rocks and energy. The point is incomplete.
You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
If we know this, then why do we need discovery to reinforce this knowledge? Why do you think this pay-for-cable channel will have the impact you wish when we already possess and reject this knowledge through our destructive civilization?
While you're at it - move your head out of the way, I'm trying to watch the game!
I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
Again the burden shifting. Also, let's say this channel were to agree with you or just concede to your demands and take the requested action. What makes you think the stupid humans would watch these programs? Have you any argument or data that suggests people would not change channels to their comfortable stupid shows about breeding and war machines?
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
I appreciate your energies and intentions, but feel that your demands are unreasonable and unfair compared to the burden you have chosen for yourself. Further, your sayings fail to adequately link the intellectual underpinnings for the concepts you preach. Had you justified your conclusions there is some small hope you might be heard by a wider audience, but as it is you fail to make the giant leap of understanding that the information which inspired you is available to this civilization you rail against, and your call that a particular private cable network station should broadcast your message is at best...lazy.
The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
What makes the Discovery Channel the object of this protest? Why not NBC or another free public network? How about PBS for their non-profit free format? How about the government itself, or the church?
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
Caps and punctuation do not an argument make. Complete sentences are more convincing that conversational phrases converted to text. These goals are vague at best; however, game show format isn't an all bad idea until you realize that instant pop answers will not fix the planet to your alluded to specifications.
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
While there is a substantial amount of scientific concern about world population, negative words and emotionally charged arguments degrading those you disagree with are more likely to cause people not firmly on one side or the other to disagree with your side, and polarize those that disagree with you into a temporarily unified front against your rhetoric. It's also a radical deep shift you are recommending by this privately owned for-profit company - what is the basis for this moral obligation for extremist propaganda again?
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
It's a broad jump for ending the promotion of war to disassembling civilization. In one aspect he may miss the boat - a human ending war would dissemble civilization and stands a far better chance of eliminating mankind than his suggestions. He also fails to explain why the peace movements, unnamed, are fraudulent. Again the punctuation and all-caps fail to substantiate the wide transitions and claims.
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
To expose the filth of civilization requires organized social, technological, and cultural structures - in short, civilization. As a member of civilization, it seems the message that this speaker has received is available to anyone who cares to hear it - many hear it and reject it entirely so it's not clear why he seems to conclude that broadcasting a message would result in the changes he requests.
Again he makes wild arguments of morality with little transition or foundation. If there is a logical way for reaching this conclusion, he might do better by walking us simple folk to that conclusion rather than just assuming we inherently understand. If it was that simple a conclusion, wouldn't we already be aware of it?
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
Programs require civilization, solutions require organization, stopping the biological urge to procreate present in animals including humans requires tremendous societal pressure, see above. Also, was this fellow employed?
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
These huge programs would be huge obligations, and he offers little substance. In fact, for all this work and protest, he is essentially asking everyone else to do the work. I'm curious now what solutions he has proposed to make changes directly rather than merely insisting that others perform the intellectual and physical work.
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
As the information is already present it's not clear how re-emphasizing these particular principles will lead to change in attitude or thinking.
8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!
NOTICE EVEN A RAVING LOON KNOWS HOW TO USE THE RIGHT YOU'RE IN A SENTENCE!!! Yes, I too reverted to all caps and punctuation, but I'm just a disgusting human adult baby. Worse, I'm on the internet.
9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
Bad economy = nuclear (spelled right!) war? Another? Again, some transitional footnotes or longer explanations might help us understand better and join his cause as appropriate.
10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
This is the first time he starts to articulate why Discovery is the subject of his wrath, and it is logical. However, it's still not clear why this network faces more blame than mainstream free network television.
11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
Do we need solutions to this? This seems inconsistent with his earlier demand to disassemble civilization, which requires and creates the need for employment and housing.
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.
As opposed to animals which lack morals, cause extinctions, plunder without fore or afterthought, torture and kill for entertainment, breed unabated without any concern for those around them only ceasing to expand their populations when starved or hunted themselves...I mean I agree humans have their weaknesses but what is missing here is the explanation of how "animals" are a superior alternative.
I postulate the following good Sir: the faults of humanity you highlight are in fact all products of our animal nature. It's the human rational mind you're reaching for and asking to overrule our animal instincts.
For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
I guess we gave up on numbering our items.
This is one of the few times he links concepts - maybe as he ran out of rant he was tired enough to slow down and tie some arguments together. However, it is not clear that forest creatures are a superior alternative. While you can argue they do not do damage to a forest, the presence of a forest stifles the ability of a field to grow. Also, if we granted "forest" as the perfect environmental state, while I'll concede the forest does strike it's own balance - it only does so because animals are in a perpetual battle to eat others while not being eaten (a cruel and horrible existence) while even the trees battle to steal the sun from all other life. Nature is arguably even more horrible than civilization.
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
So populate the 3rd world and not us? Should humans live in squalor to suit your concept of the perfect world? If you suggest less population throughout the above points, it is not clear why you also draw the 3rd world first 1st world distinction in terms of environmental impact per person born; further you fail to give a course of action from this sub-point.
Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
In return, I ask you to "invent, damn you!" You halt war, you invent ways to make gunpowder good for trees, you take that all caps energy and make a solution instead of delegating that task to others.
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
We're losing sentence structure again, but it is readable. It's odd that he suggests tv show develop solutions - over and over the delegation he has made of earth-saving tasks seems difficult to justify, or would be if he drew any such linkage in this writing.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.
Froggies? Froggies!? Note the capitalization.
Note each animal listed above, if given the opportunity, would breed and consume mercilessly compared to a thinking bipedal mammal.
The humans? The planet does not need humans.
Agreed, but it doesn't need froggies, water, or iron either. It's just a random rock in a void populated with other rocks and energy. The point is incomplete.
You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
If we know this, then why do we need discovery to reinforce this knowledge? Why do you think this pay-for-cable channel will have the impact you wish when we already possess and reject this knowledge through our destructive civilization?
While you're at it - move your head out of the way, I'm trying to watch the game!
I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
Again the burden shifting. Also, let's say this channel were to agree with you or just concede to your demands and take the requested action. What makes you think the stupid humans would watch these programs? Have you any argument or data that suggests people would not change channels to their comfortable stupid shows about breeding and war machines?
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
I appreciate your energies and intentions, but feel that your demands are unreasonable and unfair compared to the burden you have chosen for yourself. Further, your sayings fail to adequately link the intellectual underpinnings for the concepts you preach. Had you justified your conclusions there is some small hope you might be heard by a wider audience, but as it is you fail to make the giant leap of understanding that the information which inspired you is available to this civilization you rail against, and your call that a particular private cable network station should broadcast your message is at best...lazy.
