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Karma? After putting up with my catholic relatives and trying really hard to be open minded, the Pope declares that climate warming is just some silly unproven theory, and asks that responsible catholics wait for proof. You know, like they proved all that god stuff.

If there was a god, lightning would strike him down as he spoke. Proof positive = lack of god. Damn, I was hoping there was a reason for all this.

Date: 2007-12-13 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pictsy.livejournal.com
Meanwhile...

H. Res. 847: Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-1143)

Date: 2007-12-13 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Caught that one too. Thank god congress is out there declaring the separation of church and state an outdated theory. I mean thank GOD. Hope the security censors don't see me slipping up on my FAITH in GOD. Because I don't want to be SHOT by my GOVERNMENT.

Date: 2007-12-13 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grymnir.livejournal.com
I tell you...more and more I look at academic posts in Canada and the UK.

As for the Pope: Rome is built on seven hills. It isn't that he doesn't place *faith* in global warming, it is that he wants Vatican City to become beachfront property.

Date: 2007-12-13 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grymnir.livejournal.com
OK...now that I've read that bloody resolution, and the roll call vote for its passage, I realize that I need to look into exactly what legal measure and social actions a resolution implicitly and explicitly provides. By resolving that [the United States] "(5) rejects bigotry and persecution directed against Christians, both in the United States and worldwide," what does this suggest we do about said bigotry? I mean, after all, we have a resolution against the conflict (genocide) in Darfur, but that doesn't translate into direct intervention or action, right? Now...of course...if bigotry is the definition applied when Elementary School X does not allow after school prayer on public property under the aegis of the separation clause, so such prayer is allowed or worse, enforce by Federal marshals...
well, then I know it is time for me to get the hell out of this Handmaid's Tale.

Date: 2007-12-13 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
I like your angle, however, I am recommending you go to CHURCH and be BLESSED by the LORD because while principles and freedom are cute, I don't want to be SHOT. I am giving myself to JESUS and through my SAVIOR JESUS to the hands of the LORD. Principles, those are for people who don't need security clearances and value their lives. In this new WORLD ORDER I give myself willingly to the powers of GOVERNMENT and the FAITH they tell me to practice.

Date: 2007-12-13 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grymnir.livejournal.com
Won't work for you--Jesus was such a sub. "Turn the other cheek," yeah, right. Does that come with leather?
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Date: 2007-12-13 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] transentient.livejournal.com
actually, that guy did some really progressive stuff and started moving the catholic church in a direction where it could conceivably have been morally relevant to educated 21st century people.

A lot of people pointed out that the new guy was a member of the nazi youth party when he was a kid - which was, of course, only because every german kid his age was a member. He certainly didn't support the policies of the Nazi party - they were far too liberal.

Date: 2007-12-13 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 30-stories-hi.livejournal.com
I already put my FAITH in GOD...ZILLA!!!

Date: 2007-12-13 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
At least I've seen him!

Date: 2007-12-14 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cweaselle.livejournal.com
Jose I'm not going to argue religon with you, but I am goign to tell you even though I'm Catholic I don't like the way the Pope has been for a long time. What little I know that has been going on is completely against the Catholic religion.

The reason for all this is that this Pope like politicans just want the fame.

Date: 2007-12-14 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Hard not to - the definition of catholic is to believe in a hierarchy of men who represent the kingdom of god on earth. You are required to accept the dictates of the leaders, and hte higher up the more compelling. I recognize the practice differs from this, but that's the theory. You're not supposed to disagree with the pope if you're catholic.

If the pope does that for fame, he's sinning, I think.

Date: 2007-12-14 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cweaselle.livejournal.com
Popes definately sin, but so does everyone. The problem is that we are all human & sins are something we have to fight. This pope is not following the Bible so how can he be a representative of the kingdom?

Date: 2007-12-14 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
By virtue of the fact he's the Catholic Pope. You can be christian w/o being catholic, but to be catholic is to accept the teachings of the church hierarchy - that's the whole point of the religion. The distinction between cath & prodestant, I think, is that a prod thinks you can redeem yourself through connecting with your god, while the catholic religion requires communication through the church hierarchy for such redemption. To be rejected by the catholic church or excommunicated is by their terms condemned to hell, while a prod can find redemption independently of the church - though the church is still important.

Date: 2007-12-14 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cweaselle.livejournal.com
Well I guess I"m a Prod because I think God is the highest and if we ask God for forgiveness it is more important than humans.

Date: 2007-12-14 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Sounds right, but I'm not an expert not believing in any of it. I have the feeling you are what you are, regardless of what label you choose. You're always independent of thought :)

Date: 2007-12-14 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cweaselle.livejournal.com
I know I"m independant of thought because that is what brain damage does. I don't really choose a label because no one will have the same opinons about religion.

When people give me a hard time because I believe in God I ask them how they don't know that God isn't just an alien that was the leader of them when they dropped us off here.

I don't believe that at all, but it usually shuts them up while I walk away.

Date: 2007-12-14 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vjnightshade.livejournal.com
On the bright side, at least Ratzinger (sp?) doesn't argue against evolution.

Date: 2007-12-14 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djpsyche.livejournal.com
Not much has changed in five centuries! I bet he still secretly suspects the earth is in fact flat.
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