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I do run on about the gym a great deal, but I really don't try to shove it down anyone's throat. Let me know if I do, it's not on purpose (I may not notice subtle hints btw). The gym is a big part of my life, a hobby / interest if you will, so I talk about it a great deal. It’s that or politics, and it’s difficult to talk about politics right now on the local, national, or especially the international level without sounding angry or depressed, so I avoid that.

I wish I knew more people outside the gym that were as fascinated by it as I am. Color me caught between worlds. I don’t know about the gym being filled with preachy people though…I’ve never been pressured in the gym myself, except by myself.

January is a big 'diet' or eat-healthy month, with resolutions and holiday excess being all the rage. I gave into the resolution fever for a few reasons – well one, I was getting out of shape. I had shifted to boxing and ditched much of my weight-lifting regime. Cardio was 100% eliminated outside of class. I was going to the gym less often, and had really let go in terms of soda, candy, and alcohol. The new job, worry about that new job, and my own weakness led me to becoming a soda-holic for a while, even stooping to diet soda. It had to stop, and now was as good a time as any. Resolutions aren’t a bad idea, however arbitrary the date. I like anything that pushes us to better any aspect of ourselves.

It’s true I don’t ‘have’ to work out in the gym, that my body will serve its desk sitting, hallway walking, computer typing purposes perfectly well in many other possible permutations of flesh – but I rather like this one. I know I get a bit nutty about the gym, but motivating myself to be there is a real challenge. I exaggerate things to keep me working there, for often I would much rather watch that Simpson’s re-run, or eat a pizza (the whole thing). Still, I enjoy the benefits the gym gives me: strength, stamina, high energy levels, endorphin buzz, and a rockin feeling of accomplishment.

I don’t need to learn to fight either, but I really have a problem with being picked on and made fun of. I also don’t like seeing others go through similar treatment, so I like to be able to step into as many situations as I can to assist others facing similar types of harassment as I can. The more fit I am, the better I am able to fight. The more I study fighting styles, the more fit I become. While neither fitness nor fighting ability necessarily should matter in this social technological environment, it’s clear to me that they both do.

In my case the little bit of 'looks' that I do posses are related to my fitness level. I’ve seen too many studies that show how many attributions are made about people on the basis of physical appearance to not try and work the system as best I can. No one has ever found me physically attractive when I wasn't in crazy club gear, mostly naked, or doing something cheesy like showing off my pecs. With these looks and a mouth and poor social skills like mine, I need all the help I can get.

Comment to myself

Date: 2003-01-16 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
If I'm so against making fun of people I should spend some energy trying NOT to make fun of geeks in clubs. So the 19 year old nerd is wearing sunglasses in the nightclub - it's not like I haven't worn some hysterically awful clothes myself. I was plaid toughskins, when plaid toughskins were uncool...

Date: 2003-01-16 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joanarkham.livejournal.com
It's your journal, feel free to spout off on the gym or whatever.

Sometimes I do think "Wow, Jose is so hard on himself and he seems to have an average or above average physique. He must think I'm a horrible, lazy, fat slob." But I suppose that's my issue, not yours.

here was my problem

Date: 2003-01-16 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telie13.livejournal.com
I *hate* it when guys who are short of the olympian ideal say things like "no fat chicks" (pardon the vernacular but its the most apt term). Sorry guys, what gives you the right to demand we go through all the effort if you aren't going to reciporicate?

Re: here was my problem

Date: 2003-01-16 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joanarkham.livejournal.com
Don't you just love double standards? Just look at all the TV shows and movies where the guy is some 40-ish paunchy, balding idiot with a young, beautiful wife.

Re: here was my problem

Date: 2003-01-16 06:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
That sort of thing makes me violently ill. I could see a very fit guy saying he didn't want non-fit chicks I suppose, as most power lifters have HUGE bellies. Big work takes fuel, ya know.

Do you know there is a rivalry between power lifters and body-builders? Body builders aren't anywhere near as strong as power lifters, doing everything for show purposes. Big ugly guys can lift huge amounts, and have the fuel cells to show for it.

On the other hand I always thing that those fat guys yelling about 'fat chicks' must give in to the power of irony someday...

Re: here was my problem

Date: 2003-01-16 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nixieq.livejournal.com
yeah, i recently was browsing some personal ads, and came across one of this one guy who weighs about 300 lbs. he says some stuff about realizing that he's always gonna be "a big guy", and being comfortable with it, and do you know what he put his weight limit at (for potential partners)?

160.

words fail me.

Date: 2003-01-16 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Actually I'm a bit sheepish now since someone I like and respect has just posted that they don't want to hear any more gym posts...but it really is my journal! I want to be myself, but at the same time I don't want to make people uncomfortable. Will I ever find that balance?

That is your issue, not mine :) I am very hard on myself, at least to an outside eye. I'm a pretty forgiving one too - I have FLAGRANT UNCONDITIONAL SELF-LOVE but I'm always trying to be better than I am. I can say horrible things 'to' and about myself, and it doesn't hurt because I don't really feel bad about me per se. The few friends I have that I really trust can do the same thing (and do lol).

I do not think 'ill' of you, or your shape. You work well with what you have, and seem happy with it. Don't give in to paranoia, and please let me know if I do somehting to give that impression - it's not how I feel :)

Date: 2003-01-16 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluvampr.livejournal.com
heehee. i assume you're referring to my post? ;)

i declared a moratorium on *dieting* posts. posts by people about how fat they are/feel and how they pretty much don't eat and avoid all fat/sugar/etc because they feel fat, etc. that sort of post is not constructive at all, and *could* be construed as fishing for compliments ;)

if you want to post about your *fitness* program/plans, that's fine. i'm all about the exercise in order to feel/be healthy, feel good, etc.

i think the real problem i have is with all the self-deprecation. omg i have an extra 2 inches on my waist! eek!

Date: 2003-01-16 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Yep - it was yours :) I was worried about annoying you.

It's definately not fishing for compliments, at least not when I do it. When I feel like a hottie I'm the first to say it, but if I thought I was in shape I'd be lazy about fitness. Frankly I don't feel pretty unless a lot of people are hitting on me, and not always then either. Compliments don't work, in a word.

I think I spend more time talking about fitness when I'm given the chance, but any time I mention what I'm doing people poo poo me and say "You diet? Work out? But you dont HAVE to..." and I get annoyed and try to explain it to them, which may sound nuerotic...and THAT cycle continues.

It's funny but it does get a lil tired.

Date: 2003-01-16 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluvampr.livejournal.com
well, the thing that sent me over the edge is that, between you and [livejournal.com profile] ikirus, there have been *far* too many posts lately from people who don't need to lose weight about losing weight and feeling fat... ;)

as i said, fitness and health posts are fine by me. i'm a biking nut, and have been known to post about the joyful rides i've gone on. not a fan of the gym myself, i feel too much like a hamster when i'm there.

Date: 2003-01-16 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
You'll hate me more, but [profile] ikirus and I have talked about the issue, and seem to agree on it. Nyah! Feel his handles, I think we got them in the same shop!

Date: 2003-01-16 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crossbonesdj.livejournal.com
Personally, I love your gym talk. It's helping me a lot. And I would love to get together with you sometime to talk exerise...

Date: 2003-01-16 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
I'm all about it - juz lemme know when/where or we'll see each other at one of these post-holiday thingys :)

Re: make sure you don't have to do anything

Date: 2003-01-16 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
He he thanx! I've actually been re-thinking that strategy and am realizing that different things work for different people (duh on my part)! If going to the gym is seen as unpleasant, it makes it really hard to motivate yourself to go. If it's ok, then eh, then "OHMIGOD I have to meet this goal, it'll be tough but worth it!" I think the chances of long-term success are higher.

I want a mint-chocolate right friggin now!

hey, it's your journal!

Date: 2003-01-16 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dodogrrl.livejournal.com
i think gym talk is boring, but i can skip it! anyway, that's just my own issue... i am much more interested in forms of exercise that *do* something (like mountain climbing, snorkeling, or I don't know, building houses for the homeless?) I always pass gyms and think, all those treadmills and step machines need to be hooked up to a generator! At least they could power the place.

Re: hey, it's your journal!

Date: 2003-01-16 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Nice, very nice point. Too many SUV's out side the gym on beautiful days. More irony.

Re: hey, it's your journal!

Date: 2003-01-16 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joanarkham.livejournal.com
I recently upped my weight training so I should be in good shape for clinic defense. Grrr!

I might not be fast or slender, but I make a good barrier!

Re: hey, it's your journal!

Date: 2003-01-16 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joanarkham.livejournal.com
Yep. Protecting the right to choose with my body mass. Maybe I'll have kimchee for breakfast too, for that extra edge.

heh heh

Date: 2003-01-16 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dodogrrl.livejournal.com
Maybe I should have baked beans! No, too hard to predict wind direction....

Re: heh heh

Date: 2003-01-16 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telie13.livejournal.com
Your very personality is enough to deflect most of them. Are you guys on the early morning wave? She's scheduled me for 10 to 1 but I'm trying to make it earlier because we need to paint more house!

Re: heh heh

Date: 2003-01-16 09:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joanarkham.livejournal.com
I'm 9:30 to 1:30 next Sat. (the 25th)

Re: hey, it's your journal!

Date: 2003-01-16 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
OH fighting off the insane 'lifer' twits. Way cool!

I find it interesting...

Date: 2003-01-16 07:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
To understand what motivates someone who loves the gym. My little brother has been working out 2-3 hours a day for years, (crunches, free weights, running, etc), and looks amazing, yet I could never get into exercise like him. I try to understand what goes through his head (he spends all his free time between work and friends at the gym), and I just can't. So reading this at least gives me a better idea, since he alludes to the same ideas you do, without elaborating.

Re: I find it interesting...

Date: 2003-01-16 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Since his friends do it to it may well be a social activity more than anything else. I wish to hell I was surrounded by work-out buddies, but I've noticed in Gold's that most everyone is alone doing their own thing. Working, living, and working out make fora tight schedule :(

Re: I find it interesting...

Date: 2003-01-16 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anarcha.livejournal.com
Some of us are also simply addicted to endomorphins, and need our daily fix.

Re: I find it interesting...

Date: 2003-01-17 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesterswife.livejournal.com
I'd work out with you if we can agree on a day and time. Want to try to hook up sometime? I'm a member of Gold's too. ;-)

Re: I find it interesting...

Date: 2003-01-18 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Sure! I work out after work w/o my boxing class Tuesday and Thursday, and Sunday I do an hour legs 4-5, 5-5:30 cardio, and 5:30 - 6 abs. For the record, I have no life.

Re: I find it interesting...

Date: 2003-01-19 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesterswife.livejournal.com
Cool! Well, since I don't get home till 5:30, I usually go to the gym at 6:00 after I've checked the mail and changed.

I've been trying to alternate legs and upperbody with abs everyday. Here's my schecule:
Monday- abs, legs, ride bike for 1/2 hour for cardio
Tuesday- abs, upper body
Wednesday - see Mon
Thursday- see Tues
Friday- night off
Saturday- see Mon
Sunday- see Tues

I didn't go this week due to not feeling well. Today is my BGN, so I'll start up again tomorrow evening. Think we can mesh one or two of our days together? Also, do you go to the gym by Clarendon? I usually go to the Bailey's Crossroads one, but have a sticker on my truck, so I can park at any of them. Let me know what you think. ;-)

Date: 2003-01-16 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kattrags.livejournal.com
I don't consider gym talk to be the same as diet talk, although it can overlap, as in, "No matter what exercises I try, I can't lose these saddlebags from my thighs." But then, you wouldn't have that problem :-)

Date: 2003-01-16 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djpsyche.livejournal.com
Agree that it's your journal and you can gym-rant if you want to. Those who are bored can skip to the next post.

Yes there is the automatic "oh come off it Jose, you look fabulous" reaction... but your looking fabulous is BECAUSE you're so fitness obsessive, so keep up the good work -- while at the same time taking things a bit easier on yourself!

Date: 2003-01-16 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
I love it when you say fab! I know I sound really harsh when I refer to myself and my habits, but it's really not the abuse people take it to be. I really do feel quite good about myself.

Date: 2003-01-16 03:29 pm (UTC)

Date: 2003-01-17 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com
Aw!? I know that's probably a man, but I seem to be one of a vocal minority that LOVE body building women. Even seeing a regular woman do normal push-ups makes me all squiggly!

Date: 2003-01-17 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joanarkham.livejournal.com
Looks like that's not so odd...you're not alone.
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