Fat chicks and Dan Savage:
Aug. 6th, 2004 12:29 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
vicarzSo a lot of people have commented about Dan Savage taking off on fat goth chicks. My take:
1) Did no one notice his explosive column when he noted the passage of anti-gay-marriage acts? He intentionally gave out BS advice just to be rude. It was hilarious. I think he's still pissed off and just lashing out in random directions - and being a bit careless in his jabs. Perhaps he wants a bunch of angry people to write in?
2) Goths should be annoyed not because they were called stereotypically fat, but because the looks was being compared to necro. I'm sorry, I know there are some elements there but white face and dark exaggerated eyes isn't so much dead as theatre. I think corpses and goths are fairly distinct.
3) Fat. If we were to grant Mr. Savage the idea that goths are heavy, then there is the question of where this fellow made the leap from 'I want to fuck pretend-dead girls' to 'I want to fuck skinny pretend-dead girls.' No where in the letter did he mention what type of girls he was in to. The assumption Savage made was that a heavy girl would be unattractive.
Also, he's stated prior that he isn't anti-fat, though he is about display. He notes GLH (girl love handles) for people walking around in tight half-shirts, and I agree with his rating of ew. Perhaps I'm another horrid victim of societal pressure, but I hide the parts of my body I'm not happy with. I'm not ashamed of any part of my body, but frankly my arms and back look better than my gut. I don't care, but I also wear tank tops and not half shirts.
Give him one piece of credit - he noted a disjoint between trying to reject life, and showing a love of life through food. Now, I'd argue that he was wrong that there is this love of death thing screaming out of goth (it's just more arty to me, even if dark, than really deathy which in reality is quite colorful). I'd also argue that being fat doesn't show a love of food per se - it might be a metabolizing of food, or a hate of exercise, or some other factor. Most skinny fucks I know eat a ton, but have the metabolism of a humming bird.
1) Did no one notice his explosive column when he noted the passage of anti-gay-marriage acts? He intentionally gave out BS advice just to be rude. It was hilarious. I think he's still pissed off and just lashing out in random directions - and being a bit careless in his jabs. Perhaps he wants a bunch of angry people to write in?
2) Goths should be annoyed not because they were called stereotypically fat, but because the looks was being compared to necro. I'm sorry, I know there are some elements there but white face and dark exaggerated eyes isn't so much dead as theatre. I think corpses and goths are fairly distinct.
3) Fat. If we were to grant Mr. Savage the idea that goths are heavy, then there is the question of where this fellow made the leap from 'I want to fuck pretend-dead girls' to 'I want to fuck skinny pretend-dead girls.' No where in the letter did he mention what type of girls he was in to. The assumption Savage made was that a heavy girl would be unattractive.
Also, he's stated prior that he isn't anti-fat, though he is about display. He notes GLH (girl love handles) for people walking around in tight half-shirts, and I agree with his rating of ew. Perhaps I'm another horrid victim of societal pressure, but I hide the parts of my body I'm not happy with. I'm not ashamed of any part of my body, but frankly my arms and back look better than my gut. I don't care, but I also wear tank tops and not half shirts.
Give him one piece of credit - he noted a disjoint between trying to reject life, and showing a love of life through food. Now, I'd argue that he was wrong that there is this love of death thing screaming out of goth (it's just more arty to me, even if dark, than really deathy which in reality is quite colorful). I'd also argue that being fat doesn't show a love of food per se - it might be a metabolizing of food, or a hate of exercise, or some other factor. Most skinny fucks I know eat a ton, but have the metabolism of a humming bird.
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Date: 2004-08-06 12:01 pm (UTC)3) Fat. If we were to grant Mr. Savage the idea that goths are heavy, then there is the question of where this fellow made the leap from 'I want to fuck pretend-dead girls' to 'I want to fuck skinny pretend-dead girls.'
Dead people become skinny over time. And goth clubs have free cake.
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Date: 2004-08-06 12:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-08-06 12:23 pm (UTC)I know the area has changed drastically since 1975-90.
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Date: 2004-08-08 01:43 pm (UTC)I don't buy the thing about fat people just enjoying life more through food, I think that's crap. Stuffing yourself until you feel ill is not enjoyable, and neither is being perpetually hungry or having to eventually haul your ass around in a cart with an oxygen tank. That is what awaits a good deal of people that are obese, and following his logic they're just really enjoying life through food.