I want sexism.

[vicarz]

I was watching that new to me but old fashion freak / naked ape video with the zombie stripper carwash...and thinking about objectification. Wendy dayglo hates the video as the music is base while the band are static boring men. Taking the music out of it, we inexplicably have a bunch of nondescript plain men being pursued and provoked by stunningly attractive (albeit dead) females. Men wear suits and sit in safety, while the borderline naked women spray themselves with water and soap, writhe, and otherwise make themselves terribly available, though these are unsafe women in an unsafe world.

I'm considered more progressive because while I was all about female objectification, I didn't just pursue attractive naked females - I sort of became one too.

I liked the image, the sexy person. I wanted to be the image, the sexy person. Perhaps that the easiest solution - just swap person for female, and heck for stripper while we're at it. It's just creepy that this diad is always sexygirl on display and the boy...is shopping for sexygirl. I mean we're supposed to recognize the power of the attractive female, but then the fact it's always one baiting and the other catching...that makes it creepy.

Objectification could work, be more consensual - or even fun - if it wasn't dictated by gender.

Comments

[mai-neh.livejournal.com]

You remind me of how the feminist arguments against porn make no sense in the males watching male-on-male porn world. As though everything wrong with porn would be fixed by an erasure of gender differences.

But the male-on-male world has plenty of potential for exploitation based on things other than gender differences. What about the middle-aged male who has a six-figure income, who chases after younger, nonwhite, lower-income fellas as a BDSM Sugar Daddy top? Using that racial and income privilege to enter into controlling relationships. This definitely happens. But it can also be consensual from the viewpoint of the bottom, in terms of this being his best option for getting ahead and meeting his own needs.

Sometimes I think what is missing from all the left-wing -isms is an acceptance that inequality is a powerful force that can never be completely eradicated, and that each person needs to make her own decisions about how to meet her own needs and get ahead in the world. Talking about inequalities won't make them disappear, and within each group there are more kinds of inequalities; i.e., inequality is fractal. And the way group identities work, even if two different groups are broadly equal to each other in power, within those groups you will still find people who resent the other group (see Democrats vs. Republicans)!

The world of humanity is a mess! :-)

[vicar.livejournal.com]

I like that perspective but I'm not sure where I / my views fall in it. I am so very oddly patriotic that I hate and rage against inequality - this "everyone can be president" mentality is expressed in my attempts not to judge anyone but then having to admit people make their life choices and have consequences.

I...hate sex work. I don't know exactly what I get from sexual exchanges, affirmation may be it, but whatever it is that feeling is erased by the exchange of money. Top/bottom is a hoot, but it creeps me out when it lacks switching. I can sympathize with the fem or other argument that abuse/exploitation is inherently bad. But role play? Perhaps there is a world where we fix "everything" and the kink vanishes or becomes as obscure as peanut butter fetishes.

I have this forming dream, not to be achieved, of inequality only after a life of choices, where people generally would like the trimmings of wealth and the lack of responsibility of poverty, and know they could be in the other role if they had worked / lived that way for enough time.