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[vicarz]

I've learned to not love Bernie, and really not love a lot of his vocal followers. However, I'm terrified by the Bernie vs. Brexit paradigm:
In both cases, the majority went the other way (edit, ok well the % was different in the population).
In both cases, the split was very age based - young wanted Bernie (ironic) and stay. The old wanted Clinton and leave.
In both cases, the lower % won because of the old, a huge % voted, while with the young, they voted in far smaller percentages.

In democracies the minority rules, and the majority is to blame.

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[mai-neh.livejournal.com]

Vocal follower <--

[vicar.livejournal.com]

You don't annoy me.
Try harder! :D

[john armstrong (from livejournal.com)]

I understand the voting-dynamics point you're making, but there's a similarity that runs the other way: both Sanders and the "Leave" campaign are strongly protectionist and anti-globalist, to the point that Jill Stein (basically playing "pick up the Sanders voters") actually endorsed the Leave vote.

[vicar.livejournal.com]

That's fair.

[djpsyche.livejournal.com]

See, I'm seeing parallels between Brexit voters and Trump voters. Many are racists, but many more just want to stick a middle finger up at the establishment. Many of the latter group over here are just as surprised as anyone that their side won.
I'm hoping that one potential good thing to come out of this is that the Americans in the latter group will see what can happen if they don't vote seriously.

[vicar.livejournal.com]

Oh absofuckinglutely yes. It's why the bern-anti-hillary crowd is so scary to me - they may vote in rumpT on purpose or by their inaction. Many of them don't seem to care much about change (never answering the "what about voting in local legislative elections if you're unhappy with 'duh prezi-dent' question) so much as they love to one-up people to win the "most liberal extreme views" war.

They say "rumpT is as bad as Hillary" (and they always say Hillary, just like the right wing has taught) and it's kinda sad. At least when they say that you can write them off as not interested in the truth or debate.

No, sorry, the yanks will not learn a damn thing. Think about it - Bernie folks are preaching against everyone who isn't Bernie...remember Nader? Remember Bush v. Gore? We've fucked this up before and 3 wars later.
lemme be clear
THREE WARS LATER
the public hasn't learned.

Hell they've retroactively made Reagan a hero.

No, I'm wondering more and more if it isn't time to scrap democracy. As I like to quote, post-factual democracy is worthless.

[djpsyche.livejournal.com]

Come to our island. We're buying an island.
It's as good a plan as anyone in either the Labour or Conservative parties seems to have right now.