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vicarz ([personal profile] vicarz) wrote2005-03-17 10:26 am

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I aint wearing a muddafuggin piece of green: as noted by many including an LJ post by [profile] gothiccripple St. Patty's day celebrates a xtian religious zealot who tortured and killed any non-xtians in Ireland. The "driving the snakes out of Ireland" bullshit was a euphemism for wiping out pagans. Yay. On the other hand I don't hold it against anyone for celebrating - I like pointless get drunk holidays. I'm not Irish, but I am a drunk! As a Hispanic who gets paid leave for Columbus day to celebrate the infesting and enslavement of my ancestors by some pirate rapist murderer, whatever.

[identity profile] thefeline.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I like pointless get drunk holidays. I'm not Irish, but I am a drunk!

Well there IS a Hispanic drinking holiday which no one quite gets...or knows the meaning of...CINCO DE MAYO!!

But alas...none for the Greeks ::sob::

tee hee

[identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
ohmigodyouaresoracist! Cinco is a Mexican holiday! I'm a mutt with sangre de Costa Rica! You know < Aksitude > dare are udda countees in central america than Mexico! < /Atts-tude >

Re: tee hee

[identity profile] thefeline.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
And there is Carnivale in Brazil...there...is that better?!? ;op

There is STILL no official Greek drinking day...::sigh::

[identity profile] chadu.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The "driving the snakes out of Ireland" bullshit was a euphemism for wiping out pagans.

Dude, you've got it all wrong. "Driving the snakes out of Ireland" is purely literal. St. Pat had one of those amphibious landing craft -- you know, the kind they used in WWII? -- and loaded up all the snakes into it and drove them someplace (Wales, I think) to protect them from the nasty pollution the Roman town of Dublius was churning out.

Pity about how he died, thrashing about in Wales, stoked to the gills on snake venom. That's the reasons, though, that all Welsh town names are all consonants and no vowels. Because "Lllythddywllch" is the natives' attempt to replicate the death spasm verbalizations of envenomed St. Patrick.

Jeez, read a history book or something. It's all there in black and white.

CU

I luv my friends

[identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I did no do so egood in the stuff it is the history.

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] chadu.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
History is actually pretty easy. You just need to figure out the difference between what stuff the ninjas did and what stuff the vampires did, and you're home free.

Lincoln Assassination? Vampires.
Kennedy Assasination? Ninjas.
War of the Roses? Vampires.
Discovery of fire? Ninjas.

It's actually pretty easy, if you've got the Eye of the Tiger, like me.


(Crap. I knew watching Napoleon Dynamite would have had an effect.)

CU

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, Chad...but unlike Mr. Dynamite, you *do* have skills. Numchucks skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... :-)

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] chadu.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Karaoke skillz. . .

CU

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Hehehe...most definitely! I hope you will be putting them to use again a week from this Saturday at chiar0ke IV!!! Lots of new songs as of last time, and maybe even more for this go-round! :-)

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] cweaselle.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, don't leave out the pirates. I mean it's not like we did nothing. We invented fruit fermentation and raping. Doesn't that count for anything?

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] chadu.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I have discovered a dread secret of the pirates: they're really vampires.

Or vampires are pirates.

Whichever.

CU

Re: I luv my friends

[identity profile] cweaselle.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
No way! I don't like to drink blood. Also, I don't think that I would look good with fangs and they're really impractical. How do you eat apples?

[identity profile] lionsden.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I will go raise a pint or two tonight just to the resulting comments of this journal entry. ;)

(Anonymous) 2005-03-17 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
hispanic? lol. okay, maybe we'll adopt your white ass.

jessica

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
asdfasfdsaf...how's your espanol, cholo?

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
culo. with an "o" on the end. you bare it and we'll share it, amigo! :-)

[identity profile] kattrags.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
St. Patrick's Day = Amateur Night. If participating, take a cab.

[identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point - very much like NYE.

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
[St. Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland, is one of Christianity's most widely known figures. But for all his celebrity, his life remains somewhat of a mystery. Many of the stories traditionally associated with St. Patrick, including the famous account of his banishing all the snakes from Ireland, are false, the products of hundreds of years of exaggerated storytelling.

It is known that St. Patrick was born in Britain to wealthy parents near the end of the fourth century. He is believed to have died on March 17, around 460 A.D. Although his father was a Christian deacon, it has been suggested that he probably took on the role because of tax incentives and there is no evidence that Patrick came from a particularly religious family. At the age of sixteen, Patrick was taken prisoner by a group of Irish raiders who were attacking his family's estate. They transported him to Ireland where he spent six years in captivity. (There is some dispute over where this captivity took place. Although many believe he was taken to live in Mount Slemish in County Antrim, it is more likely that he was held in County Mayo near Killala.) During this time, he worked as a shepherd, outdoors and away from people. Lonely and afraid, he turned to his religion for solace, becoming a devout Christian. (It is also believed that Patrick first began to dream of converting the Irish people to Christianity during his captivity.)

After more than six years as a prisoner, Patrick escaped. According to his writing, a voice—which he believed to be God's—spoke to him in a dream, telling him it was time to leave Ireland.

To do so, Patrick walked nearly 200 miles from County Mayo, where it is believed he was held, to the Irish coast. After escaping to Britain, Patrick reported that he experienced a second revelation—an angel in a dream tells him to return to Ireland as a missionary. Soon after, Patrick began religious training, a course of study that lasted more than fifteen years. After his ordination as a priest, he was sent to Ireland with a dual mission—to minister to Christians already living in Ireland and to begin to convert the Irish. (Interestingly, this mission contradicts the widely held notion that Patrick introduced Christianity to Ireland.)

Familiar with the Irish language and culture, Patrick chose to incorporate traditional ritual into his lessons of Christianity instead of attempting to eradicate native Irish beliefs. For instance, he used bonfires to celebrate Easter since the Irish were used to honoring their gods with fire. He also superimposed a sun, a powerful Irish symbol, onto the Christian cross to create what is now called a Celtic cross, so that veneration of the symbol would seem more natural to the Irish. (Although there were a small number of Christians on the island when Patrick arrived, most Irish practiced a nature-based pagan religion. The Irish culture centered around a rich tradition of oral legend and myth. When this is considered, it is no surprise that the story of Patrick's life became exaggerated over the centuries—spinning exciting tales to remember history has always been a part of the Irish way of life.)]

No wonder this evolved into a drinking holiday...the poor guy was staggering around all over creation and hearing voices! There's little point in getting all riled up over the ancient connotations represented by some damned holiday, mate. It's not as if most folks today are still celebrating for those same reasons. The same negative mindset could shed an unfavorable light on just about *any* holiday, but where's the fun in that?

If you wanna see an end to tyranny, why not focus your energy on those who are *currently* perpetrating shitheadedness and assholery on less powerful folk? Or at least enjoy cursing them over a few good drinks... ;-)

[livejournal.com profile] thefeline: There are a number of Greek holidays, including a National Holidays on March 25th and October 28th, Labour Day on May 1st, Assumption on August 15th, and Boxing Day on December 26th. There are also several holidays that are specific to various islands, villages, and cities, mostly in relation to their patron saints.

[identity profile] underfiend.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
That's too long to read on a day like this.

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
have some of this...

Image

you'll feel *all* better.

actually, you can just read the last couple of paragraphs...the history part's kinda snore-inducing. ;-)

Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] thefeline.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
thefeline: There are a number of Greek holidays, including a National Holidays on March 25th and October 28th, Labour Day on May 1st, Assumption on August 15th, and Boxing Day on December 26th. There are also several holidays that are specific to various islands, villages, and cities, mostly in relation to their patron saints.

There are still no Greek "drinking holidays" in the U.S. that are as widely celebrated as oh...I dunno...Cinco de Mayo, Oktoberfest, St. Patrick's Day (or hell even Mardi Gras!!). And certainly no holiday that leaves others wishing they were...Greek.

Wait wait waaaiiit... Assumption (August 15)is a general CATHOLIC holiday...and CERTAINLY isn't a Greek DRINKING holiday ;op

AUGUST 16 however SHOULD be ::snicker:: And is...in MY eyes (I'm sure [livejournal.com profile] br0d will agree that it should be a holiday...Greek or otherwise ::smirk::)

We still celebrate my Papou's "name day" aka what you call holidays for folks "patron saints" ;)

P.S. You forgot Greek Easter...which falls typically on the same day as Passover ;) heheheh.

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude. You know how many people get *crushed* on Assumption in Greece and elsewhere?! :-)

August 16th is destruction day, so decreed by [livejournal.com profile] br0d and yours truly!

Furthermore, I'm officially declaring this Saturday night Ouzo night...let us toast with anise-powered gusto!!! :-)

And as far as I'm concerned, EVERY day is Greek-stereotyped-buttfucky-sex day! :-)

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] thefeline.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hrm...wasn't planning on being at Chiaro THIS Saturday. Hrm...mebbe ;)

And as far as I'm concerned, EVERY day is Greek-stereotyped-buttfucky-sex day! :-)

You have no idea how much "surprise anal sex" I've had to endure because of that..ugh! ;op

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
You should try and make it out...my friend [livejournal.com profile] ashanden will be in town from Madison, WI! He'll also be here next weekend for chiar0ke IV...I know Jose will be pleased as punch to see his journal being used as an eVite board for *that*. ;-) As for the surprise anal sex, if you didn't put an immediate stop to it, I guess it wasn't a matter of "enduring," now was it?! :-)

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] thefeline.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Hrm...I had already made plans with someone..though. Was going to lay low this weekend...

Hey...despite the rumor...I'm NOT down with the brown! And I did stop it...believe me.

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Rats! Well, whatever you end up doing, I hope you have a wonderful time. I hadn't heard any rumors about your affinity (or lack thereof) for bum-lovin'...but I'll be glad to start some up on the bathroom walls here at work! :-)

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] thefeline.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Well...slight chance I might be there...the ouzo is enticing..yup yup.

You mean there isn't grafitti there about me presently? WOW!

Re: Well...throw a lamb on the spit...

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-18 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Not yet, but there will be...here, there, and everywhere!!! Ouzo will flow in recompense!

[identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It means nothing w/o a cite! Ha! Plus I'll remember the accusation longer than the refutation. Nyah!

[identity profile] blimpcaptain.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
a cite?! you mean, you'd like for me to cite a site?! my source is the History channel website. but the *point* is that you're better off looking around at how people interpret the holiday *now* than you are jousting over its origins. how many pagans have you personally seen driven out of ireland during your lifetime?! how many people have you seen engaging in festivities and enjoying themselves?! i'm guessing the former is greater than the latter.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_blackjack_/ 2005-03-17 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
As conversions went, Ireland's was laregely bloodless and torture-free.

[identity profile] vicar.livejournal.com 2005-03-17 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Reality will make no dent in my perceptive bias!